(updated)
Today I went to the House of Representatives to watch our Motion for Intervention end up buried by the administration majority in the Committee on Justice. There weren’t many of us bloggers there, but it was comforting to know those among the intervenors unable to be present were thinking of us, as were other bloggers who have expressed their support, most lately including stuart-santiago and The Pelican Spectator.
As co-intervenor Marocharim Experiment blogged yesterday, everyone went into the process with no illusions, but no desire to compromise belief:
Like I said before: it doesn’t matter if GMA has two years or two days left in her Presidency. If she is found to be unfit to rule by virtue of a fair evaluation of evidence – or an admission of guilt – then the law doesn’t say that she doesn’t have to pay the price in the name of “stability” and “progress.” I reiterate: justice, fairness, and freedom are not words or compromises, but are perspectives.
For what actually transpired, {caffeine_sparks} provides the minutes of the proceedings of the Committee on (in)Justice. Here’s a sample, the moment of truth.
And see the coverage of Inquirer.net, of ABS-CBN, and part 1, part 2, and part 3 of GMANews.TV’s coverage. There’s Also the Philippine Star. While some of my reactions have been quoted in reports, I’ll get to that in my column tomorrow.
So let me point you in the direction of co-intervenors [email protected] and particularly, of Alleba Politics who takes a close look at the Mindanao bloc in the House:
Curiously, South Cotabato Representative Darlene Antonino-Custodio and Bukidnon Representative Teofisto Guingona III who fought for the intervention during yesterday’s hearing was absent today. And I am disappointed. I was counting on Custodio to fight for Mindanao, to declare that an injustice done to Mindanao and its people has repercussions and consequences. Arroyo has used and continues to use Mindanao and it’s issues for her political gain. But this is proof that we are not willing to fight for ourselves. Of the more than 50 representatives for Mindanao, not one, not a single one of them voted to accept the intervention. Not even one of them lobbied for it. Not one of them endorsed it.
Let it be known that these congressmen, supposed representatives of Mindanao and its people stood idly by, while their land, their constituents, their constitution, their country was put in peril and bastardized by Arroyo:
1. Aquino, Jose II S.
2. Amante, Edelmiro A.
3. Plaza, Rodolfo ‘Ompong’ G.
4. Pancrudo, Candido Jr. P.
5. Guingona, Teofisto ‘TG’ III L.
6. Zubiri, Jose Ma. III F.
7. Uy, Rolando A.
8. Rodriguez, Rufus B.
9. Romualdo, Pedro P.
10. Zamora, Manuel ‘Way Kurat’ E.
11. Amatong, Rommel C.
12. Nograles, Prospero C.
13. Garcia, Vincent J.
14. Ungab, Isidro T.
15. Olaño, Arrel R.
16. Lagdameo, Antonio Jr. F.
17. Cagas, Marc Douglas IV C.
18. Bautista, Franklin P.
19. Dayanghirang, Nelson L.
20. Almario, Thelma Z.
21. Belmonte, Vicente Jr. F.
22. Dimaporo, Abdullah D.
23. Dumarpa, Faysah RPM
24. Balindong, Pangalian M.
25. Datumanong, Simeon A.
26. Clarete, Marina P.
27. Ramiro, Herminia M.
28. Emano, Yevgeny Vincente B.
29. Taliño-Mendoza, Emmylou ‘Lala’ J.
30. Piñol, Bernardo Jr. F.
31. Chiongbian, Erwin L.
32. Dilangalen, Didagen P.
33. Antonino-Custodio, Darlene R.
34. Pingoy, Arthur
35. Mangudadatu, Datu Pax S.
36. Go, Arnulfo F.
37. Jikiri, Yusop H.
38. Arbison, Munir M.
39. Matugas, Francisco T.
40. Romarate, Guillermo Jr. A.
41. Pichay, Philip A.
42. Garay, Florencio C.
43. Jaafar, Nur G.
44. Climaco, Maria Isabelle
45. Fabian, Erico Basilio A.
46. Jalosjos-Carreon, Cecilia G.
47. Labadlabad, Rosendo S.
48. Jalosjos, Cesar G.
49. Yu, Victor J.
50. Cerilles, Antonio H.
51. Cabilao, Belma A.
52. Hofer, Ann K.
These are the people who have FAILED to represent and defend their constituents in Mindanao. Let it be known that they refused to recognize and accept the facts, that they have acted contrary to their mandate, their duty to serve their constituents in Mindanao. Let it be known that they stood idly by while Arroyo gave away a piece of their land, created a state within our island, entered an agreement that put our people and our nation in peril. They have failed to serve, failed to do what they are paid to do.
Of course what happened today was preordained.
Yesterday, the administration majority actually wanted to dispense with our Intervention. Please see the summary of what transpired, as recorded by {caffeine_sparks}: there’s also this interview with Rep. Teddy Casino:
Ricky Carandang: Sir, sufficient in form, tomorrow the vote on substance but there was a bit to do about whether or not the intervention filed by number of people would be included in the house. That wasn’t in the complaint… that wasn’t resolved. Was it?
Teddy Casino: No, it wasn’t resolved. In fact, we requested the committee to provide us copies of that intervention so that tomorrow we will have a more informed debate on whether to accept or not this intervention from various complainants.
Ricky Carandang: Okay, but as everybody loves to say in the House, Sir. It’s a numbers game and it doesn’t look like the majority is inclined to allow it in.
Teddy Casino: Well, the committee has to make a decision. What we are against is that it was a unilateral action by the committee chairperson Matt Defensor to consider the intervention as prohibited and to return the same to the complainants. We just want that thorough discussion be made because we think that the complainants also have right to be heard in this committee especially the importance of the issue that they are trying to bring out which the Memorandum of Agreement on Ancestral Domain.
Ricky Carandang: But what was the argument why they wanted to exclude it? And did they exclude it without hearing the arguments of the intervenors? Or did they vote to exclude it on a mere procedural matter?
Teddy Casino: Well it was a mere procedural matter on the technicality that the first complaint was already referred to the committee and therefore one-year ban was already in place. And the chair of the committee considered the intervention as a new complaint. But as was clarified as the chair of the committee on rules Art Defensor, this is not a new complaint. This is an intervention or more generically an amendment to the first complaint which the Justice committee would have jurisdiction over that.
Ricky Carandang: So you seem to be implying that there’s some inconsistencies here with the application of their rules.
Teddy Casino: Yes, because under the rules of criminal procedure, which is supposed to be supplementary to our rules, you can amend the complaint before arraignment. And the president has not be arraigned yet. We have not reached that stage. So our theory in the minority, is that any complaint can be amended by the Justice committee and there is no prohibition on amendments, interventions or any other matter. It’s just that the committee will have to deliberate and decide on this issue. This is a long established point of the minority, which in the previous impeachment proceedings have always been denied. But we think that it is in keeping with the rules.
Ricky Carandang: Well sir tomorrow then based on what you’re saying I anticipate a lot of discussion again about the rules about whether that intervention can be heeded or not. Just out of curiosity sir… will you…
Teddy Casino: But at the end of the day, it will come to a vote.
So, as one of my co-intervenors, New Philippine Revolution put it, we got to live another day.
I don’t exactly agree with Rep. Casino (I wouldn’t concede “more generically an amendment”) but in view of the challenge we blogger-intervenors issued last week and which I restated in my column last Monday, Walk the talk, congressmen. It was good to hear Casino say what he did and act the way he did; and of course particularly heartening were interventions of Reps. Darlene Custodio and T. Guingona III during the hearing.
The Inquirer.net report summarizes the questions that were meant to be resolved today as follows:
Quezon City Representative Matias Defensor, chairman of the justice committee, had raised the “prejudicial questions” that must be considered before determining whether the complaint would be sufficient in form and in substance would be:
‘ Which complaint/ complaints must be considered?
‘ Is the complaint in intervention allowed by the Constitution, the Rules on Impeachment or the Rules on Criminal Procedure in its suppletory character?
‘ Is the chairman on the committee on justice correct in returning the Lozano complaint based on the precedent as approved by the committee on justice in the case of the Tamano/ Pulido complaint?
The four complaints submitted before the committee were from:
‘ Jose de Venecia III, et. al. submitted on October 13;
‘ Attorney Guillermo Sotto submitted October 23;
‘ Manuel Quezon III et al submitted on November 12; and
‘ Lawyer Oliver Lozano submitted directly to the committee on justice and received by the committee secretary on November 17.
In the end, those from the minority who were present did take up the cudgels, not just for the impeachment, but our intervention, today. IWe were, however, never able to argue our case, which I present for the record (my thanks to the lawyers helping us on this):
1. The intervention is not a separate complaint involving a distinct cause of action but is just another aspect of the original cause of action upon which the de Venecia impeachment complaint rests, which is GMA’s culpable violation of the Constitution and breach of her oath as President of the Philippines.
2. The primary objective of the remedy of intervention is to avoid multiplicity of suits by allowing all related causes of action and issues to be resolved in one proceeding. As long as intervention has been properly and timely made and the intervention would not cause any injustice to anyone, it should not be denied. In fact the ends of justice would be better served by granting the intervention, as public interest should predominate over technical or procedural considerations.
3. Intervention should be granted if the intervenor(s) can show that they have a legal interest in the matter in litigation. As citizens and taxpayers, it cannot be denied that intervenors have a legal right to ensure that the laws of the land are upheld, especially if the violator is a public official. Impeachment is a process of national inquest into the conduct of public officials and the bringing of charges against them for misconduct in office.
4. The intervention is based on judicial findings which were not yet made or in existence at the time of the filing of the original complaint. Hence, it may be argued that an “intervening cause” , i.e. the ruling on the unconstitutionality of the BJE MOA (which was not appealed by the government), justifies the inclusion of the said subject matter as one of the grounds for impeachment.
In other news, there has been much tsk-tsking about Secretary Jesus Dureza’s opening prayer at the opening of yesterday’s Cabinet meeting.
Freudian slip? Trial balloon? Sneaky sabotage?
It has been more than two years since the President began chanting her mantra of “attaining first world status by 2020,” and began classifying our country as a “Second World country,” and by now, the phrase has become yet another tired presidential propaganda line, except, of course, for the very real possibility that the Palace believes its own propaganda.
And that it can be quite methodical and deliberate about achieving what it wants, in a manner calculated to reassure its loyalists, and those hoping against hope the current regime has an expiration date, and not unduly arouse the citizenry. Victory is so close, the Palace functionaries can almost taste it. Even as RG Cruz cautioned for the public to keep its eyes “on the ball,” it seems some factotums couldn’t resist a little gloating.
As Ding Gagelonia blogging At Midfield recounts,
This writer recalls that just weeks ago a commenter over at FilipinoVoices.com who claimed to be a ranking lawyer with direct links to the Palace revealed that they “wanted a 10-year term extension for GMA beyond 2010.”
This year -or next- as the Year of Political Rapture just came closer; aside from the usual suspects getting the ball rolling on further packing the Supreme Court, it was interesting to see Speaker Nograles in the space of eight months going from “amendments after 2010” in February to “maybe some amendments, let’s see” in May, to “amendments are nigh!” Saying on the news, tonight, that he was tickled pink by Juan Ponce Enrile’s election as Senate President and pointing to the trial balloon he started floating back in February, a Constitutional Convention instead of the more politically nerve-wracking method of using the Supreme Court as a blunt instrument against the Senate. (To my mind, this is where Enrile would be useful: he could smoothly navigate a Constitutional Convention law through the Senate, calling the bluff of Senators who said the only kind of Charter Change they’d support is thru a Convention).
Anyway, seems after gauging public opinion, people have either tuned out, or have proven themselves so tractable and manageable, that the administration thinks now is the time because all those saying they will “wait until 2010” are bluffing and will actually roll over and play dead if and when the President’s term extension by whatever means is achieved.
The prospects, if not for her, then for those surrounding her, are glittering indeed. As I mentioned in my 2007 column Quackery, if she’s in office come 2020, she would only be one year shy of matching Ferdinand Marcos’s grip on power.
But let me close with these reassuring words from the President’s ally, Rep. Danilo Suarez, explaining why initial reports of a 40-strong House delegation to accompany the President to Peru (subsequently reduced to 5) was no big deal:
Asked why such a huge group wants to join Mrs. Arroyo to Peru despite the economic crisis, Suarez said, “We have problems, but we don’t have a crisis.”
This reminds me of a conversation I had last Saturday, when I ran into Prospero Pichay of all people in Greenbelt. I asked him about our Chess team and then talk drifted to what seems to have been uppermost in his mind.
“You know this is a time not for politics but getting down to work,” he said, and proceeded to of course pat himself on the back as the new irrigation chief. I told him I’d been hearing of downsizing in some BPO’s, and that there didn’t seem to be much in the way of the administration (which he so loyally serves) doing much by way of revealing whether it has a game plan -starting with enumerating the challenges ahead.
He sort of snorted and said, “they’re clueless,” and proceeded to say some rather uncomplimentary things about people in the Cabinet like Angelo Reyes, who he basically described as a know-nothing as far as his portfolio was concerned.
So I responded by asking why Lakas-CMD didn’t unveil a plan, since, after all, political life for people like him goes beyond the term of the President. He smiled and said some non-committal things. Then paused, and said, “even she doesn’t listen to me, every time I make a suggestion, well, you know how taray she can be.”
And then, after some more pleasantries (he is, after all, a pleasant person) we parted ways.
Onward to First World status by 2020!
Re: “We have problems, but we don’t have a crisis.— — Danny Suarez
Hahahah!
He actually meant, “The fundamentals of the economy are strong.” Trust that corrupt defence equipment dealer, broker, lobbyist to be the eternal optimist.
Could you ask him, “What’s in it for you?”
With no industry to speak of, these people are dreaming. It must be a curious sight, a First World country propped by overseas domestics and laborers.
the committee vote is nothing. what matters is the plenary vote.
if the committee dismisses the complaint, a 1/3 vote of reversal in the plenary will still result in impeachment.
so the anti-gloria school better lobby for that 1/3 now.
“Onward to First World status by 2020!”
oh yes!
care to join us in the trip?
Re: the additional complaints
so natapos na ang botohan dun, I will wait for q3s update or comment.
sa one complaint per year pa din bumagsak..
on Justice scalia’s points.
well kahit pano mo baliktarin may puntos si athony Scalia sa one third lobbying ;as to the trip to the first world anong klaseng trip yan ,linawin mo baka may magsabing marijuana session yan.
anthony, joke lang ha!
of course sinong ayaw mag first world tayo.
since di pa din naman nating matatwag na industrialized country tayo, we shoulkd not give up on agriculture kahit na di tayo nakdikit sa mga mekong neighbors natin.
diaspora, is not the solution pero nandyan na yan eh.
we must just make do and make most of what we have.
if bpo imaybe down,but we should not abandon it,dahil mukhang kaya naman natin mag adjust.
pero habang wala pa tayo sa taas.
mabuti na din yun, because mas mahirap bumagsak galing sa taas.
mas nasa baba ka parating soft landing.at nadadapa ka lang di ka nahuhulog.
pasensya na naman ha, ang gulo ng post ko.
magnonote pad na kaya ako bago magpost.
Kevin Garnett,
“anthony, joke lang ha!”
no problem mi amigo
“of course sinong ayaw mag first world tayo.”
madami sila – most of them ex-Pinoys na and soon-to-be ex-Pinoys
“since di pa din naman nating matatwag na industrialized country tayo, we shoulkd not give up on agriculture kahit na di tayo nakdikit sa mga mekong neighbors natin.”
korek
“diaspora, is not the solution pero nandyan na yan eh.
we must just make do and make most of what we have.”
tama
“if bpo imaybe down,but we should not abandon it,dahil mukhang kaya naman natin mag adjust.”
true
“pero habang wala pa tayo sa taas.
mabuti na din yun, because mas mahirap bumagsak galing sa taas.
mas nasa baba ka parating soft landing.at nadadapa ka lang di ka nahuhulog.”
ang ‘tate ngayon, galing sa taas, bumabagsak na (kaso damay buong mundo!)
ni walang reaksion sa publiko…talagang wala na yatang pakialam ang mga pinoy. Siguro pag wala nang makain saka lang uli mag aala-bonifacio.
BriabB,
You wrote: “With no industry to speak of, these people are dreaming. It must be a curious sight, a First World country propped by overseas domestics and laborers.”
Nice attitude. That ought to help move the country forward.
Fortunately, your opinion seems to ignore some facts.
You overlook for, instance, the country’s exports.
Meanwhile, the tsunami of outsourced white collar work (BPO) continues unabated and the Philippines continues to be seen as the main benefactor now and in the future.
Furthermore, tourism and mining are grossly underdevoped, yet are considered to be some of the richest untapped locations in the world. Think like a businessman — we have here extensive resources that are dwindling in supply most everywhere else. Law of supply and demand…..
Lastly, certain segments are so inefficient (especially agriculture), that incremental improvements in areas like infrastructure can have exponentially positive effects.
But first…the government’s improved fiscal situation must be solidified (or at least protected during this global downturn) and, secondly, the 3 branches of government need to spend much more time doing their jobs and much less time at war with each other.
The opportunities for this country are clear…and golden. What’s needed is some teamwork and unified direction. FVR was right before and he’s still right now.
MLQ3, here is an exerpt from an article about your reaction to the impeachment proceedings.
It says you will contemplate if you will question the ruling at the SC,was that atty. Lacierda’s initial advise???
You have mentioned many points above,and I saw that some of them were discussed, will you fortify those points so it could be expedited by the SC?
Quezon: ‘Assassination’ of impeachment
By Lira Dalangin-Fernandez
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 11:58:00 11/19/2008
“That’s their strategy, they need to kill the smaller complaints first before killing the big one. Any other way, this is assassination,” said Manuel Quezon III, Philippine Daily Inquirer columnist, INQUIRER.net blogger, and television host, after the committee on justice voted Wednesday against the motion.
Quezon, who represents the group of bloggers who filed the intervention, said they would decide whether to question the ruling by the justice committee before the Supreme Court.
He said the decision showed that administration allies would block all moves that would fortify the impeachment case against the President.
“What’s needed is some teamwork and unified direction. ”
something we can’t expect from that bumbling stupid group called ‘united opposition’
The Philippine Collegian spoofed the campaign slogan of Marcos in the 1986 snap elections:
“SUBOK NG SUBOK KRISIS PA RIN”
some changes and it speaks of the ‘united opposition’:
“SUBOK NG SUBOK PATALSIKIN, NAKAUPO PA RIN SI GLORIA!”
kung tinuon na lang sana ang resources nila sa ekonomiya….
let’s not go into FVR’s opinion then, as it’s developed since 2005.
Or into the resources diverted from the economy by the one who controls the instrumentalities of the state.
KG, SC is an option though personally I’m inclined to wait until plenary has voted. There are two legitimate points the wily majority can raise: first, that even if you concede intervention, its fate is tied to the main impeachment, therefore its fate rests on whether the complaint prospers or dies; second, that in an intervention you make an appeal but the authority you appeal to is under no obligation to do what you ask.
Also, the most fruitful possible case is the one pending in the SC questioning the Francisco doctrine, which the SC refuses to act upon. The Francisco doctrine is the main reason impeachment has mutated into a race to file charges and which has stood the impeachment process on its head.
Many thanks Mlq3!
Kevin Garnett,
not to toot my own horn, but please visit the thread
“Intervention for the Prosecution: Why the BJE-MOA is an impeachable offense”
and please read my post
on November 14th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Nonetheless MLQ3 and your co-intervenors have made history. While in other countries bloggers are jailed, this time you want the Big Boss in jail! (at least kicked off her throne)
Dureza prayer: It is just a case of sucking it up.
mlq3,
You wrote: “…the resources diverted from the economy by the one who controls the instrumentalities of the state.”
Here we go again. “The Truth”.
The “cheating” portion is a failed accusation (though most screechers don’t even know that and still yell about “illegitimacy”), but the “stealing” part is still strong…since we all know the facts are clear in such cases such as Fertilizer Scam, North and South Rail, ZTE, JMSU, the baseline of the country’s boundaries, and even Jueteng.
Anyway, the opportunities for this country are valid and within reach…regardless of the politically charged accusations. That’s hard to argue against.
Problem is; It’s those politically-charged, but never substantiated, accusations which slow our economic development to a crawl. That is debatable, I admit. But at least one must assume it doesn’t help or speed things up.
The accusations, if I understand the accusers correctly, are made seperate from any considersation about economic progress or the pace thereof. Oh, and the progress that has been made is actually a sleight-of-hand and only benefits a few at the top.
Politics first (the destructive type), economy (For The PEOPLE!!!, by the way) later.
That’s crazy. Especially when the world is entering a massive downturn and when the country has a legitimate chance to reverse its decades-long downward spiral.
Justice Scalia,
nabasa ko na: TY, nabasa ko na din dati pero scan lang .
https://www.quezon.ph/2021/intervention-for-the-prosecution-why-the-bje-moa-is-an-impeachable-offense/#comment-989697
binasa ko na din yung francisco vs. house of representatives.
di ko na tinapos nasummarize mo na at ni mlq3 eh.
allow me to paste your comment in full:
quezon the 3rd,
THE BRIGHT SIDE TO THE “COMPLAINT-IN INTERVENTIONâ€Â
if you bring its denial to the Supreme Court, there’s now an opportunity for the SC to review its doctrine on Francisco vs. House of Representatives (the Davide impeachment case), and possibly reverse it.
the doctrine that “initiated’ means the mere filing of a complaint should be abandoned and given a new meaning – that ‘initiated’ should mean an impeachment complaint duly transmitted to and received by the Senate.
because as we all know now, if ‘initiated’ means mere filing, then an impeachable official can escape impeachment by just causing the timely filing of a weak impeachment complaint, which will bar any later impeachment complaints (hintay na lang next year)
MLQ3,
Great efforts there MLQ3. Now you can relate your experience with mine. That we toiled long hours to plead our case only to brush it aside with a minute resolution. In your case only with few second of foul verbal rebuff.
Trashiing it even without reading it.. Sounds familiar if you read my case.
Tyrants are everywhere. But we can count ourselves among the few who tried to lift our fingers to fight against it.
“No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices”. (Ed Murrow , U.S Journalist and Newscaster).
mlq3,
btw, i was not after the merit of your case. i was after the procedure by which your intervention was treated. it was tyrannical for congress to trash it.
you know very well my position on this impeachment issue and our disparate positions are rooted differently. please allow me some digital space to repost my FV comment:
“I at look the possibiity of impeaching GMA from economics point of view and therefore would consider it counter-productive.
There is less than 2 years to go. The divisiveness and the sanguine political partisanship that the impeachent proceedings will bring to the nation as pointed out by BenCard is not worth this adventure. And there is no assurance too that the impeachment will prosper because Congress as pointed out by Leytenian is controlled by GMA allies.
Politicians who support the move to oust GMA are mostly those people who have presidential ambitions, or politicians who would love to hitch in this political tempest for mileage and soundbytes.
2010 elections will bring some momentary benefits to the people as politicians distribute the largesse they have amassed during their past tenure… Politicians would not care anyway for the welfare of the people once they assumed their office and elections is only the proper time for people to exact sweet revenge on thier politicians”.
GEO,
Point is instead of wishful thinking why doesn’t she provide the foundations for industries? Also, the private sectors should be forced to be independent of OFW remittances. One way is to provide incentives for manufacturing, like tax holidays and employee tax exemptions.
and Geo,
Mining and tourism never made a country rich. Spain has always had a great tourist industry (i.e. there are more tourists in Spain annually than there are Spanish citizens) but it’s the most backward country in Eastern Europe
Should Politicians Wear Their Religion On Their Sleeve?
One clear example is Gloria Arroyo.She encourages her photographers to take pictures of her when she is in deep prayer.
When I think of all the scandals and scams associated with her administration,I start wondering whether politics and religion can really mix in Malacanang.
mlq3:
Should you ever decide to question Francisco before the Supreme Court, I hope you will MYLP (make your Lolo proud) and appear pro se .
Constitutional law is just plain English. I would like to see that bulldog Devanadera vanquished by a non-lawyer, to prove the fact that she is a lightweight who does not deserve the seat she seeks.
it’s ridiculous to connect the mindanao congressmen not lobbying for the intervention, and ” … stood idly by, while their land, their constituents, their constitution, their country was put in peril and bastardized by Arroyo”.
with logic like that, how far can you go?
“”Onward to First World status by 2020!—
oh yes!
care to join us in the trip?”-anthony
anthony,
I’m definitely for First World Status, who is not?
I think you did not get the joke though so let me clarify it to you if I may.
The joke was that our president Gloria (yes, herself) plan to get the Philippines attain First World Status by 2020 at a time when she has barely three years in office, hehehe.
Now gets na?
Kevin Garnett,
thanks for quoting it
Bert,
“I’m definitely for First World Status, who is not?”
if you really are, then ‘patalsikin na now na’ just takes you away from that goal.
“I think you did not get the joke though so let me clarify it to you if I may.”
ay, may joke pala yun. that says a lot
for every Pinoy who consider it a joke there are hundreds of thousands who take that goal seriously and work for it
“The joke was that our president Gloria (yes, herself) plan to get the Philippines attain First World Status by 2020 at a time when she has barely three years in office, hehehe.”
ows, talaga? again that says a lot
mahirap na goal na nga, guguluhin nyo pa. mahirap na ngang umusad, guguluhin nyo pa
“Now gets na?”
ang alin? what’s the joke there?
you just revealed your priorities my friend. sayang. pero may time pa para magbago.
sama ka na sa amin kabayan
I think the nation is now divided into three differing points of view. BERT t and his group who always trace the Philippine misery to the continued stay of GMA in Malacanang, the group ANTONIO SCALLA Scalla and his group who is so sore to the opposition and equate them with anything but efficiency and love of country.
AND THE THIRD GROUP WHO WHO PROBABLY THINKS LIKE THIS.
SAWANG SAWA NA KAMI SA DALAWANG GRUPO NINYO.
GUSTO LANG NAMIN AY DISENTENG TRABAHO, MALINIS NA GOBYERNO AT MALIWANAG NA PLATAPORMA.
HINDI YUNG MGA MAPAGIKOT NG MGA SALITA MAIPAGTANGGOL LAMANG ANG KANILANG MGA IDOLO AT ADHIKAIN.
SI BERT PARA SA SA PAGPAPAALIS KAY GLORIA AT SI ANTHONY SCALLA SA PANGANTYAW SAS OPOSISYON.
HINDI KAYO ANG KAILANGAN NG BAYAN.
there’s now an anti-anti-anti.
BrianB,
“One way is to provide incentives for manufacturing, like tax holidays and employee tax exemptions.”
tax holidays are already available from the BOI and the PEZA for some forms of manufacturing
“Mining and tourism never made a country rich”
tourism put Thailand where it is now. Thailand may not be rich, but its way ahead of the Philippines, thanks to tourism.
the Phils is said to have close to US$900B in minerals waiting to be tapped.
Business MIrror columnist John Mangun described the potential of the mining industry here, if fully harnessed properly – mining is the malls, call centers are sari sari stores
so will tourism and mining make the country rich? maybe not, but the country can certainly use a few more billions of dollars
“Spain has always had a great tourist industry (i.e. there are more tourists in Spain annually than there are Spanish citizens) but it’s the most backward country in Eastern Europe”
Spain is in Southern Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Europe
and Spain is among the Top 10 biggest economies in the world. hardly backward
and im curious what could 60 million tourists see in a backward country
kaminaman,
naku aking kababayan, marami ka pang kakaining bigas.
halatang di mo pa nababasa ang lahat ng mga komento ko dito.
kaya sorry na lang kung sasabihin kong napakasablay ng iyong tingin sa akin
you can start with comment no. 4 in this thread, and my replies to other posts in this thread
next, check the very very first comment in the thread
“Intervention for the Prosecution: Why the BJE-MOA is an impeachable offense” and see where my politics is
and kindly read my discussions with justice league in that thread so you can know why i am so affectionate towards the ‘united opposition’
“GUSTO LANG NAMIN AY DISENTENG TRABAHO, MALINIS NA GOBYERNO AT MALIWANAG NA PLATAPORMA.”
talaga? gusto mo ng trabaho? ako din gusto kitang bigyan nun.
halatang di mo pa nga nababasa ang mga comments ko. dahil one thing i admire in the ‘united opposition’ is its uncanny ability to set back the steps towards a healthy economy.
ever since i started commenting here, im always advocating that the country can step towards progress even if gloria is still in Malacañang. at mas importante pa ang job creation kaysa pagpapatalsik kay gloria
“HINDI KAYO ANG KAILANGAN NG BAYAN.”
tama ka dyan. ay talagang hindi ako ang kailangan ng bayan. trabaho ang kailangan ng bayan.
di bale, baguhan ka pa lang dito. palalampasin ko na lang yang sablay na obserbasyon mo noy ha?
kung sinisipag ka, paki google “anthony scalia” and “manuel quezon III” together so you can see links to all my previous comments in this blog through the years
then, to quote a favorite word in the TV programs of Bro. Eli Soriano
“BASA!”
anti-anti-anti hilong talilong. ❓
anti-anti anti {===} hilong talilong 🙄
“Of the more than 50 representatives for Mindanao, not one, not a single one of them voted to accept the intervention. Not even one of them lobbied for it. Not one of them endorsed it. Let it be known that these congressmen, supposed representatives of Mindanao and its people stood idly by, while their land, their constituents, their constitution, their country was put in peril and bastardized by Arroyo”.
The reps are so predictable, they might also be rips. When MILFs started the miniwar, they were the loudest against ancestral domain. Yet amazing how they stuck with the architect herself, GMA. The reps as we know are proverbial leeches. GMA can always dangle carrots and they can wag well like puppies.
Constituencies are meaningful only during election. The rest of the term, the reps are taking every opportunity to cash in and serve only themselves.
Bolante’s testimony is describing our reps. Everybody gets something from agrarian fund and keep quiet including a non-farming areas like Metro Manila. No evidence but the bottom line the P23 billion pesos Marcos loot-Agrarian fund was gone during 2004 election as reported by DBM.
Philippines is plenty of people like Prospero Pichay, each to his own game.
Geo on, “It’s those politically-charged, but never substantiated, accusations which slow our economic development to a crawl.”
This is a typical erroneous conclusion blaming people who are not in-charge of the economy.
Even the statement of “economic development to a crawl” is wrong. Economic growth in terms of GDP averaged 5% under Arroyo (2001-2008) compared to Aquino’s 3.8, Ramos 3.7% and Estrada’s 2.8%.
Budget has passed, Arroyo’s policies and programs are operating regardless of activities at the house/senate.
“and im curious what could 60 million tourists see in a backward country”
Spain is rich in history, architectural structures, dances, heritage, etc with modern convenience. Tourism is not one dimensional thing – beach. Also, there is not a fear of being rip-off like in the Philippines.
“The reps are so predictable, they might also be rips. When MILFs started the miniwar, they were the loudest against ancestral domain. Yet amazing how they stuck with the architect herself, GMA. The reps as we know are proverbial leeches. GMA can always dangle carrots and they can wag well like puppies.
Constituencies are meaningful only during election. The rest of the term, the reps are taking every opportunity to cash in and serve only themselves.
Bolante’s testimony is describing our reps. Everybody gets something from agrarian fund and keep quiet including a non-farming areas like Metro Manila. No evidence but the bottom line the P23 billion pesos Marcos loot-Agrarian fund was gone during 2004 election as reported by DBM.”…dodong
That’s why for so long I was advocating the abolition of the Reps house if ever there would be a con-con. Low er house is the root of most evils afflicting RP politics. the reps are really useless, national affairs can be done by senators while the local affairs can be done more efficiently at provincial and city level. so what’s the use of the reps? Nada, they are useless.
“Also, there is not a fear of being rip-off like in the Philippines.’ – d0d0ng
Don’t ever get the idea that ripping off tourists is a monopoly of the Philippines.
Remember that American Express advertisement of a couple having their camera stolen? Pray tell me, didn’t it depict Spain or Italy.
Compare the economy of the Philippines to Malaysia and you will know the status of GMA’s First World status by 2020.
‘Remember that American Express advertisement of a couple having their camera stolen? Pray tell me, didn’t it depict Spain or Italy.’
American Express is probably avoiding a protest from the Filipinos. Desperate Housewives is an example.
I can certainly agree with you on that, Pilipinoparin. The house rips are simply rubber stamp of the Palace. There are 238 rips in the 14th congress and only 109 have current porks from the Palace. The large number best cultivate “sipsip” to get piece of the pie. Arroyo recognized and used that well to her advantage.
The best fiscalizer is the senate due to its small number. But it has issue of representation since a senator is elected nationally. Representation can be fixed if the constitution is amended to elect a senator by region.
Phil Manila on, “Don’t ever get the idea that ripping off tourists is a monopoly of the Philippines.”
I heard you, and the surprising thing Filipinos are even proud of screwing up others like equating smart to taking advantage of others.
In September 2008, a Canadian family learned this the hard way. They were charged $2,600 for 2 pizzas from Pizza Hut and cut short of their vacation.
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=66d92db6-38a7-4959-be1b-ee72395960bb
Scalia:
no mention of tourism here at the 90s Spanish boom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Spain
Must have more to do with the opening of the economy to the EU.
And didn’t we learn anything from the sugar and the logging industry. Did we get rich there? Now mining (yecht) and tourism?
I imagine we can get ten million Chinese to visit us annually for English lessons. But for sex and beach tourism, don’t be too giddy about their potential.
And yes, the Spanish beaches draw millions of Europeans annually.
dOdOng, election of Senators by region would only be good on paper. Do you know how many Senators Bicol has? Does that make it better off than any other region?
kaminaman, I share your frustrations. Early exit by Gloria… then what? United opposition… what for? ‘Wag ka gaya anthony scallia. Kain bigas. Wala sustansiya. Gaya ng mga sinusulat niya.
Pilipinoparin, “…local affairs can be done more efficiently at provincial and city level.” You may have a very good point here, considering the threat of federalism. Please elaborate. Any links?
“dOdOng, election of Senators by region would only be good on paper. Do you know how many Senators Bicol has? Does that make it better off than any other region?”
Regional representation in the Senate is needed. We are already in the 14th Congress. Since the beginning there is only one senator from Mindanao that made it to the Senate. Mindanao is always behind in terms of economic development.
Congratulations to MLQ3 and his band of merry man who filed that intervention. Apart from having this wonderful blog which I might add has sometimes more news than the mainstream media you guys have drawn the line and come out and fought.
Although the majority of blogs are similar to some primordial amoebic substance together with a large number of pundits yours truly stands out as a new standard in this new world of multi-media.
Your actions do have an effect and does give the other side pause. Thanks to the wonderful world of the 24 hour news cycle that is truly global in scope.
B,
“no mention of tourism here at the 90s Spanish boom:”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Spain”
correct! i did not mention it either.
i mentioned the role of tourism in the economy only in relation to Thailand only
my statement “and im curious what could 60 million tourists see in a backward country” is more on what does a backward country have to attract that many number of tourists yearly.
i never mentioned anything about the money brought in by the 60 million tourists in Spain and how the money helps its economy.
“Must have more to do with the opening of the economy to the EU.”
probably. but one of the top 10 economies in the world is hardly backward
“And didn’t we learn anything from the sugar and the logging industry.”
oops. new topic. i don’t know what should be the lessons learned from sugar and logging.
“Did we get rich there?”
just from those two? no. but some of the richest Pinoys are into sugar and logging (of the legal kind)
“Now mining (yecht) and tourism?”
oh yes
“I imagine we can get ten million Chinese to visit us annually for English lessons. But for sex and beach tourism, don’t be too giddy about their potential.”
you said it – 10M coming for English lessons. with that number alone, who needs “sex and beach tourism”?