Evidence (updated)

“Concentrate on what cannot lie. The evidence.”
– Gil Grissom to Warrick Brown, CSI

“It’s a scientist’s right to re-examine his theory with each new piece of evidence, Nick.”
– Gil Grissom, CSI

So what do we non-scientists do? Essentially, pursue the paths scientists would take, anyway. This morning, I gave a talk to high school and college students from the various La Salle schools, and one student asked my opinion on the Glorietta blast. And so, I quoted from CSI.

I told the students that as students, they should try to make sense of what happened, by starting with the realization that there is a lot more we don’t know, than we actually know at this point. the little that we know can be gleaned from three main sources. First, eyewitness accounts. Second, photos and videos showing the damage. Third, what our officials tell us.

At the end of the day, whatever official explanations emerge will have to be convincing to the many eyewitnesses, and match what they’ve related and what the pictures show (an interesting entry, with pictures, is in sane psycho, who’s mother is apparently the architect of Luk Yuen; Hueco Mundo says the owner had a close call indeed). Our job as citizens, I told them, is to be unafraid to insist that any explanation given makes sense. I told them that people will of course have preconceived notions or assumptions about what took place, but a sober and thorough investigation -and explanation- should hopefully end up convincing your average, reasonable, person.

And if it doesn’t, ask, ask, ask, until you’re satisfied it all makes sense. The opinions, even instincts, of people who were there, will matter. As will the views of ordinary citizens who try to make sense of the tragedy by comparing official explanations (or theories) with their own personal experience. See delai’s realm, for example, who, when the LPG explosion theory was first proposed, wrote,

they said it was just a gas tank leak. what the hell? when i saw it on tv, i had to say “wtf?” i’ve witnessed a house burn down because of lpg leakage. but it was nothing like it. there was a loud blast and then the house was eventually engulfed in flames. glorietta however was nothing like it. no fire at all. a blasted area of glorietta facing park square 2 flashed on tv. and when the inside of the mall was shown, there was no doubt that it was bombed.

See Turning Points, who has photos and refuses to believe it was a gas leak, either. See Clumsy Limbs who sadly noted that after Sunday’s brief fire, she has had to cancel future events in the mall.

In the end if they can be convinced, all of us should be convinced by whatever official explanation emerges. The trauma and confusion those who were there are going through (and their loved ones, who have just begun to count their blessings,) will naturally affect their attitudes and behavior.

Blogger Cindy.cIndy.ciNdy.cinDy.cindY who was fairly close to the blast, describes the process many others are going through too, I’m sure:

As soon as I arrived home last Friday, my father uttered the words “Military may pakana niyan. Sila lang ang may C4.” How can my father say that? I was disgusted to hear that the government might be behind the incident. And I was scared at the same time because the government can do that to their constituents. Then the news outlined several bombing instances in Metro Manila and all of them showed that the bomb used were home-made bombs. They believe that the ‘terrorists’ are the one behind the previous bombings. Anyway, we have to wait for the result of the investigation before we make accusations, right? So I watched the news and red the newspapers. It has been 3 days since the incident happened but still they don’t have a concrete idea what kind of explosive was used. Some were saying that it was indeed C4 since some chemical components of C4 can be found in the area. But the police investigators alleged that these components are available in the drug stores, therefore, speculations about the military and government being behind the incident should be disregarded. Ganon na ba kadali gumawa ng bomba?!

And the questions that are emerging in their minds:

And guess what, there are no security guards who died that day. Come to think of it, 2 passengers from a taxi died and the taxi driver was thrown off his own taxi because of the explosion but the guard on duty managed to stay alive. Another thing with the security guards in the mall is that they just stand there and tell the people don’t panic. The hell!!! Why don’t you just show the people where’s the safest way to go so that they won’t panic?! So much for the guards…

She also then tackles, next, the kind of talk going around and where officials could do some good by stepping in to squelch such talk, if it’s unfounded:

Yesterday the father of my brother’s friend, which is a Colonel in the military, warned us to stay away from malls because according to him there are 3 more bombs. They do not know yet where the other bombs are located. And according to him, the bomb used in Glorietta is indeed a C4. He also added that the C4 used in Glorietta was less than 2kgs and the purpose was just to scare the people. Then last night I received a text message from my friend saying, “This came from my brother Henry from the army. Wag kayo pumunta sa Global City Market Market and Makro Bicutan… All Ayala Corps subject for bombings. Ocean liners hindi pumutok kanina. Intel info yan, high alert kami…”

I don’t know whom to believe because the news hasn’t disclosed this information yet or they haven’t received the information. And the military hasn’t given any statement regarding this information. But it seems that the info is quite correct in saying that there are still 3 bombs scattered in Metro Manila. Nevertheless, I wrote this to warn other people to be vigilant.

This is the problem: much as the stories being passed around bothers people (see Oodles of Goodles and love-andy and Willie Galang.COM for examples of those who feel bothered) in the absences of official reassurances to the contrary, passing around information may be the only way the citizenry has to cope with the possible implications of the blast. Put it this way, even if the blast wasn’t due to terrorism, it raises troubling questions, as Mara Finds points out:

[B]ut what is being stored there and why it wasn’t being audited and regulated by Ayala Center is a little bit questionable because, allegedly, there is a big gasoline tank sitting right under the mall and empty fuel cylinders being stored there.

What, they can’t find alternative storage solutions that they have to choose storing explosion hazards in the basement of a very busy mall?! While the investigators have not released a definite cause of the blast, whether it’s an accident or work of terrorist groups, it’s idiotic to give anybody or anything undue access to a large cache of volatile fuel.

There are others firmly convinced any official responsibility is improbable, even unthinkable, see Postcard Headlines.

My column today, Defeatism, is a far cry from the beautiful piece written by Patricia Evangelista in Things fall apart last Sunday:

When the soldiers were beheaded by the Abu Sayyaf, we were disgusted, violated, but we could push past it and say it’s the risk a soldier takes. It is the same for the activists and journalists, the leaders and politicians. They’re only names, mourned now, replaced by someone else’s story tomorrow. But what’s different about the Glorietta blast, in the reactions and confessions and the dozens of entries in blogs all over the Internet, is the uniform mix of fear and relief. There is no forgetting this one. The words that are repeated, in murmurs and whispers down the alleyways of cyberspace are the same. It could have been my brother. It could have been my boyfriend. It could have been my mother. It could have been me.

It could have been the girl and her father who had lunch in Luk Yuen. It could have been the boy who was planning to go to Toby’s to look at sports equipment. It could have been any of the thousands who pour out of the Ayala MRT station and flood the crossing into Glorietta. There’s no longer any sense of safety–it happened in a mall, that safe haven of the 21st century. It is the same mall where young couples hold hands while walking, the same mall so many of us who were raised in Manila have wandered into dozens of times without a thought. And in Glorietta 2, where the bomb struck, there were play areas, and toys, and children’s books, and stores for mommies-to-be. Safe? We don’t know what that means anymore.

But in my own space I had to point out one troubling aspect of the whole tragedy is that it shows no one is capable of rallying the country even in times of disaster, when the normal (and healthy) instinct of a population should be to rally around the flag. I’ve learned that readers only react to columns when they disagree, and so I wasn’t surprised when some readers took exception with my generally praising the police: but it is really too soon, to my mind, to come to any conclusions about how they’ve handled things.

As things stand, last Sunday’s Inquirer editorial asked readers to brace themselves, and pointed out something blogger Pwede Na, who has a must-read blog entry which begins with a meditation on our mall culture,

There is a direct relationship between the noise levels in a mall, the frigidity of the aircon, and the income levels of the shoppers — the poorer the clientele, the colder and louder the mall. Poor folk come to a mall to cool down, and to be entertained. They want their money’s worth!

SM North Mall leaves one half deaf after an hour, and you had better bring a sweater if you’re planning to take in a movie. The Rockwell Mall, which you can’t even get to on public transportation, goes for the very upscale shopper and is nearly silent. So, if you want powerful aircon, well, you can get that at home.

A few weeks after the new TRINOMA mall opened I realized it was not going for the same demographic as the Ayala’s Glorietta Mall in the City of Makati’s financial district. TRINOMA now leaves me almost as hearing impaired as SM North. Adjacent to a new cross-country bus terminal, TRINOMA advertises itself as a “regional mall” capturing shoppers from the provinces a few hours north of Metro Manila. You can see the probinsyanos wandering the mall, wide eyed, and hanging on to each other. ATM machines every 50 meters insure that they won’t come up short on cash before they head back to the bus terminal and the return trip to Bulacan, Tarlac, or Pampanga.

And why the public has reacted the way it has:

What is interesting is how quickly we absorb the shock, those of us who did not lose a loved one and who were not injured. On Sunday, two days after the event, we were in the SM North Mall to get some gardening supplies. The mall had about half the number of people one might normally expect for a Sunday. Barring any new bombings, I suspect the crowd will be back to normal by next Sunday.

The October 21, 2007 editorial in the Philippine Daily Inquirer notes the sadness of our country, the fact that there are so many suspects in this bombing. The real tragedy, however, is that for a great many Filipinos and other residents, including this one, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and her government are among the suspects. This is not the assessment of wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, but of average work-a-day people.

Similar thoughts were echoed in today’s Inquirer editorial, too.

A day prior to this story, Investigators not discounting accident in Glorietta blast, word was already going around that the police were rethinking the accident angle. As well they should, since all possibilities have to be looked into. But a hypersensitive public will tend to pore over every official comment to see what it may mean when police officials say US experts unable to detect C-4 component from blast site, when perhaps all the cops are doing is trying to be more nuanced:

However, Razon said the test results could have varied because Philippine and American authorities swabbed different areas.

“The [US] tests are negative because when the US experts arrived at the blast site, they swabbed the exterior portions or the portions that were not directly at the center, or at the seat, of the explosion. That’s why it tested negative,” Razon said in Filipino.

Razon added that, “But when the PNP Crime Laboratory personnel conducted their swabs, it was in the general vicinity of the seat of the explosion.”

“That is the explanation why the swabbing of US experts showed negative results for RDX,” he said.

As it is, even as the latest is, PNP: Accident in Glorietta becoming more and more likely: No bomb components found, they better be doing their homework and dotting every i and crossing every t (and here’s how things can get misconstrued: some would ask, why doesn’t the FBI say something, then; others will say, that’s protocol, they’re guests so only Philippine officials will talk; how to resolve it? Officials should say if protocol’s at work or what to expect by way of an official statement from foreign observers).

Inner Sanctum explores the accident theory, which he says “geek friends” proposed even when official statements started focusing on that possibility:

Over the weekend, several geek friends of mine have put forward deflagration as the probable cause of the Glorietta blast, especially after The Inquirer published a composite image of the blast site inside the Glorietta 2 lobby.

According to them, deflagration is just like a gigantic fart, wherein tremendous gas pressure is released similar to a gas-powered canon–meaning, in one direction–as opposed to the ripple effect of a bomb.

Philippine Commentary who seemed morally convinced the blast was terrorist-related, goes to greater lengths and points to GexCon, a gas explosion consultancy, whose handbook does make interesting reading. but not everyone is quick to embrace this possibility.

However, Chemical experts doubt new blast theory:

Ernesto dela Cruz and Wilfredo Jose, both professors in chemical engineering, faculty members and students said it was unlikely that a leak from the tank containing thousands of liters of diesel at the mall’s basement caused the blast.

The engineers said diesel is not a volatile substance and will not explode as a liquid at any rate. They said it has to be in a gaseous state and has to vaporize before it can explode.

They said that for diesel to vaporize, it has to be heated to up to more than 200 degrees Celsius inside a diesel engine.

Dela Cruz, Jose and the others also said that it would also be impossible that methane gas that allegedly leaked from the mall’s septic tank caused the blast.

The experts, however, said that methane explodes only if ignited. They said a mixture of five to 15 percent methane and 85 percent oxygen may explode when lit.

They added that the mixture should contain a substantial amount of chemical components to reach a blast magnitude similar to the one at the mall on Friday afternoon.

The professors said they doubt that there was enough methane inside the Glorietta 2 sewer to fuel the explosion that reached up to the building’s roof three stories from the basement.

They also said that the rate of reaction would have to be quick to attain an explosion with impact. There should also have been a bad odor, much like that of rotten eggs, if the cause of the blast was indeed methane gas.

More convincing is Tongue In, Anew:

If the diesel tank, which by the way is almost always filled especially in applications such as malls and other establishments frequented by many people, did cause the huge explosion, it should have been blown beyond recognition. Generators used for critical applications such as Glorietta’s are typically run with and without load weekly both automatically then manually for about fifteen minutes just to make sure the Genset (engine + alternator/dynamo w/ Auto-start/Auto-shutdown circuits) and the electrical controls (Automatic Transfer Switch, Paralleling Switchgear, etc.) will work in the event a real power interruption (brownout) does occur. It also ensures that the batteries are recharged regularly. Without batteries, generators are worthless. This regular process, called Plant Exercise, makes it imperative that the fuel tank/s are always filled to its upper limits. Meaning very little space for compression and combustion in the tank’s upper chamber.

What did the pictures show? A fuel tank standing perfectly by itself, except for a small hole and with a portion of the top cover appearing to me as intentionally pried open. The tank did not appear to have “bloated” or puffed out as it should be if it had exploded from inside. The small hole? It looks to me like it was there all the time. Maybe a vent punched out by maintenance for pressure release. This is necessary especially if the fuel delivery pipes to the engine operate by gravity (think pressurized water tanks vs. gravity tanks).

Or it could have been used as inspection hole to check fuel level either visually or by using a dipstick. Some tanks usually have level indicators using a transparent plastic tubing stretched vertically outside with both ends connected to metal tubes welded at the top and bottom of the tank’s side. The level outside is the same inside since liquids seek their own level. But since this type of indication is neither rigid nor durable, at some time maintenance people disable this and use the more reliable dipstick method.

Again, the metal plate that this hole was created in did not look dented in nor puffed out that would have indicated any explosion either coming directly from the top or from the inside, respectively.

I now also remember talking to military officers from the Electronics group called AFPCES some years back who wanted me to design and build diesel tanks thick enough to repel bullets. I was told the NPAs use AFPCES’ tanks for target practice (including soldiers climbing their antenna masts) but when I asked how many have died in the explosions, I was told the bullets just punctured the tanks and at worst, it would deprive them of a week’s supply of diesel but no explosions. Either I was watching too many cowboy movies at the time or totally ignorant to have asked that.

Who also explores the sewage tank angle:

From what little I know about sewage treatment plants (I designed and installed electrical controls including semi-automation modules for, what do you know? A high-rise 5-star Hotel and a mall complex!), the Laguna Lake Development Authority (LLDA)- if your establishment spills a huge volume of effluent towards the Laguna Lake or any of its tributary rivers, or the DENR – if your sewers lead to floodways or esteros flowing to any of the seas in Luzon, sewage treatment plants (STPs) ARE required by either gov’t offices before Environmental and Sanitation Permits are issued, thus construction permits are withheld in their absence. A mall the size of Glorietta, or the whole Makati Commercial Complex or Ayala Center as it is now called, IS required to operate a Sewage Treatment Plant.

Two possibilities, therefore. Either Glorietta has its own or it pumps its sewage into a central STP operated by Ayala Center. If not, then either LLDA or DENR did not do its job here. Or were bribed. In the late nineties, 2 or 3 malls/condos in the Ortigas-Shaw corridor were issued Cease and Desist Orders by LLDA because they were found pumping sewage straight to the city lines. They were heavily fined and closed temporarily until they constructed their own STPs. At least, that’s what the papers said.

What does an STP do?

To simplify, it first screens solids out of the influent waste from the mall, breaks down into “digestible” size large sediments like a giant blender with many agitator blades at the bottom of the tank; then pumps all of it into an aeration tank where air produced by big fan blowers is pumped from under the sludge, making aerobic bacteria digest organic waste. The next tanks would separate liquid from the remaining sludge. Liquid undergoes chlorination before the effluent is released to the city sewers while the remaining sludge repeats the process. This is where methane gas is produced. In large quantities, it may be dangerous as 14% methane mixed with oxygen explodes when ignited. Some large STPs use the gas to heat and dissolve the sludge but in this size (Glorietta’s) there is not enough methane produced to install a collector-burner stage. Abroad, it is common in city-size STPs but of the 3 private-owned medium-sized STPs I’ve worked on in the past, I have not seen one with a methane collector-burner stage, much less one that exploded.

It would be stupid likewise that Glorietta, or Ayala for that matter, would maintain a large septic vault holding raw sewage under one of its public buildings. They employ the finest architectural firms in the world to design their projects, any firm of that caliber would definitely not skip the basic requirements in their designs. So will sanitation and safety engineers, too. Even our houses’ pozo negros have vent pipes with which to “breathe” out the gas. Further, Methane does not stay stable for long. It breaks down into Hydrogen Sulfide which is a very toxic gas. We haven’t heard anyone die of gas poisoning in Glorietta prior to the incident, have we? Instead, what many witnesses and victims smelled was a gunpowder-like odor. Or in one victim’s words, “amoy-paputok”, which is characteristic of a C4 blast. A explosion caused by methane could be preceded or followed by flames and we haven’t heard of any such thing in Glorietta. Let’s take a look at the simplified chemical equation of burning methane in ordinary air:

CH4 + 2(O2 + 3.76N2) = 2H2O + CO2 + 2(3.76N2 + energy

where energy may be all or combination of Sound/Heat/Light/Shockwave

It is standard that explosion relief vents are constructed in STPs, more so one under a Generator room. The Generator Room itself, depending on the size and quantity of gensets, may have several exhaust fans to evacuate the hot air around the engines, the cooling system’s radiators (or water pipes to the external cooling towers for large installations), and the exhaust mufflers. I will not accept any excuse that the generator room is a totally contained/enclosed one, meaning a sealed vault where the operators can die from fumes inhalation either from the fuel or the engine exhaust. It is therefore safe to conclude that the generator room was well ventilated. Blast waves and shock waves cannot be produced like that as in Glorietta (blasting through the flooring up to the 4th floor) if it was not a sealed container.

Now, a room that has many vents and openings, doors, windows, vents, etc. should have allowed the smell at least of the foul-odored sewage, or methane gas, or hydrogen sulfide (when methane breaks down) and it would have been detected earlier by Ayala personnel or reported by shoppers. Any reports? Nothing I’m sure.

That being the case, and all the foregoing arguments here from my raw experience and stock knowledge, all debunks either the methane or diesel theory or the combination of both.

And from the layman’s point of view, Uniffors points out, however,

Remember a few years ago, there was a methane gas explosion from an underground sewage pipe in the street fronting the DFA office in Roxas Blvd. The blast was so powerful it tore up the pavement and sent a car a few feet airborne, but there was [no] fire.

Journal of the Jester-in-Exile tries to tie all the information together (read the whole thing):

Back to wrapping up a few things. In the next episode of CSI: Makati, I’ll be talking about my hypothesis on the why, as a follow-up to the how, the Glorietta blast occurred. Let’s face it — it takes a lot to ignite diesel and methane vapor, even in a confined environment, and the confined environment itself has factors that militate against the ignition of the flammable vapor (e.g., the velocity of the aircon exhaust roiling and disturbing the air inside the confined environment, the absence of any pressurization in the diesel tank or septic tank that would cause flammable vapor to accumulate much too rapidly for the vapor to be dispersed into outside air). Thus, it seems to me that it’s fairly unlikely that this was a simple case of an industrial accident.

Okay, it MAY BE an industrial accident, but it was probably STAGED.

American blogger Left Flank says American troops here on exercises might be playing it too cool (while prudently keeping safe) but also says,

The most ridiculous commentary on Filipino politics, though might be this: “An alternative theory in the investigation into the Makati bombing is that it was accidentally set off by incendiary material inside the building.”

Make that clumsy employee president!

One news item shows how intense emotions have gotten: Kin of Glorietta victims ask Arroyo for justice, not cash. And Twilight Zone news stories just adds to the unease: Calls to Rajah Solaiman diverted to Rep. Biazon’s cell phone.

In the end, I have to say ahnnabanana makes a good point:

A lot of friends overseas are writing about how glad they are that they left because they heard about the recent Glorietta bombing. How the Filipinos have grown apathetic and indifferent to such tragedies. That they’re so safe in America blah blah blah. I don’t think we’re apathetic. We feel bad about it, yes. But realistically, what is there to do about it? Protest with signs that say “STOP THE BOMBINGS”? Stay in our houses and not go to malls forever? Cry to show that we’re affected? Hold prayer rallies? Of course people will still go to work. Of course life will go on. When it happened I was doing a show in Greenbelt, the mall right beside Glorietta. Yesterday I had one, today I had two shows. Something like this can happen anywhere. A bomb can be assembled inside a mall with materials bought inside a mall. And where did the Columbine and Virginia tech shooting happen again? America, right? I’m not trying to go on this self-righteous, nationalistic high horse. My point is NO PLACE IS SAFE, not even first-world countries. It pisses me off when people are proud to be Filipino when something good happens like Pacquiao winning some boxing match then disown the country when something bad happens.

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484 thoughts on “Evidence (updated)

  1. qwert,

    I hope the same for these families. I have been reading their stories in newspapers, and I have been praying for them as well.

  2. a)GMA inability to win over to her side the supporters of the losing candidates she defeated in 2004?

    Did she win?by one million per Garci tapes?

    (b) the unrelenting propaganda against her by the partisan media;

    What about her spin doctors? Ronnie Puno?

    (c) the bad publicity generated by endless but unsubstantiated accusations, sensationalized to acquire a semblance of “truth” especially to a largely gullible public ?

    How about her “I will Not Run promise”, I’m sorry” speech?Could she ever be trusted?

    (d) her initial difficulty to turn around fast enough the economic shambles she inherited from her predecessors.?

    40% of the population living in abject poverty!

  3. DinaP,

    I hope Trillanes can really substantiate this or gets help to do so, otherwise if theories 1 and 2 fails to convince one and all, he’s the next theory of Razon et al.

  4. ” They should start the Light-a-Fart Movement.Don’t they have Google in the People’s Republic of Diliman?”The dean of what?

    Sabi nga ni Raul Manglapus of the orig. “Light a fart Movement” sa mga kababayan nating pinay noon sa Kuwait during Iraq’s first attack, “If rape is inevitable, just lie down and enjoy it”.

  5. don’t get me wrong. i’m not making the “sinong papalit” argument. that’s the main reason why the current administration’s been there all this time.

    but i’m also not going to go with the “kahit sino na pwede” argument either.

    these much touted “bloodless revolutions” stem from the refusal of the people to directly confront the problem at hand.

    of course at this time, this is probably the smart thing to do. no one after all wants to get shot and killed for “kahit sino na pwede”.

    Who says it should be a “kahit sino na pwede” case? It’s not like there is no one better than GMA. Of course there are! It would be such a tragic thing if you sincerely believe that a cheater, brazen liar, and a massive thief (GMA, who else) is the best person in the Philippines right now.

    That’s precisely the kind of argument that allows the GMA administration to lie, cheat, andd steal (and perhaps kill) with utter impunity.

  6. To everyone here: Do you believe it was an accident??

    augustine:tell the spin doctors to “tell it to the marines”

  7. “That’s precisely the kind of argument that allows the GMA administration to lie, cheat, and steal (and perhaps kill) with utter impunity.”

    1982:”The Philippines is a nation of 40 million cowards and one son of a bitch.” by unnamed ranking cabinet member of the Reagan administration, 1982. (attributed to Secretary of State George Shultz)

    2007:”The Philippines is a nation of 87 million God-fearing people and one midget who has gone to hell and back”(CIA World Factbook)

  8. “don’t get me wrong. i’m not making the “sinong papalit” argument. that’s the main reason why the current administration’s been there all this time.

    “but i’m also not going to go with the “kahit sino na pwede” argument either.”

    Both arguments above are idiotic. We are in a democracy and the Constitution has a specific provision for presidential succession. If Gloria is removed, either by impeachment or voluntary resignation, Noli succeeds. Loren may have an on-going electoral protest against him, but he is the sitting Vice President. It’s not for anyone or any group to decide otherwise. No if’s and but’s about it.

  9. The very sad incident caused families and friends of the victims to weep. It is saddening to lose loved ones in such an untimely death. Condolences to all of them.

    The investigations are still on going. The recent developments and findings reveal the absence of any bomb component.

    I can’t help but comment on the reaction of one blogger who wondered why no security guard died during the blast. As I imagine the incident, when the blast occurred, everybody did not expect what was to happen. Everybody, including the guards could have been thrown away from where they were standing that time. Remember the blast was sudden, no initial signals or sounds from down under. Just a blast! And then they regained consciousness after having landed on solid ground. Then and only then did they get a chance to stand up and help panicking people. The first thing they would do is to tell the people not to panic and stay calm and go another way.

    Let’s just be grateful that the death toll didn’t go up more than 11. And let us also pray for the injured that they may recover soon.

  10. ay naku:

    again, i agree with you that there is someone out there who can do a much better job of running the country. but:

    a regime change “within the system”, constitutionally restricts us to Noli de Castro as a caretaker president prior to the elections.

    going outside of the system, may be too much for everyone to handle.

  11. We are in a democracy and the Constitution has a specific provision for presidential succession. If Gloria is removed, either by impeachment or voluntary resignation, Noli succeeds. Loren may have an on-going electoral protest against him, but he is the sitting Vice President. It’s not for anyone or any group to decide otherwise. No if’s and but’s about it.

    shaman

    Amen to that brother!

  12. again, i agree with you that there is someone out there who can do a much better job of running the country. but:

    a regime change “within the system”, constitutionally restricts us to Noli de Castro as a caretaker president prior to the elections.

    going outside of the system, may be too much for everyone to handle.

    Then if GMA resigns or is impeached, then Noli it is. It becomes a constitutional succession, not a “kahit sino na pwede.” If it’s another People Power, then it might be a different scenario. But either way, let us “directly confront the problem at hand” — and right now that big problem is the ultra-corrupt, highly-deceitful, law-breaking, morally-bankrupt GMA administration. Let us not rationalize the lying, cheating, and stealing anymore. No more excuses.

  13. “Then if GMA resigns or is impeached, then Noli it is.”

    Hmmm. That situation sounds familiar. Then, Noli can
    probably just pardon GMA. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.
    From now on, presidentiables should probably eye the VP slot instead.

  14. been to djb’s site. funny how he suddenly made a u-turn providing scientific discourse on deflagration after his quick flagrating theory of terrorist attack and to shield himself from criticisms, he has to close his comment’s box, to wit:

    IN DEFERENCE TO THE VICTIMS OF THIS ATROCITY, COMMENTS TO THIS POST HAVE BEEN CLOSED. PLEASE GO ELSEWHERE TO GET YOUR KICKS. THERE’S LOTS OF OTHER BLOGS FOR THAT PURPOSE. MY APOLOGIES TO REGULAR READERS BUT CAN’T DEAL WITH THE TROLLS TODAY.

    in deference to the victims of this ATROCITY, dean? how did the highly esteemed physicist come to this hole-proofed conclusion?

    i am not a great fan of trillanes, but for him to issue a politically-charged statement is forgivable, this political leveraging is expected even. call it idiotic dean, as you did by booting him out from your blog links. but for a scientist to come up with THE gospel conclusion ATROCITY when it could be nothing but gas spell is even more laughable(the sky is falling! the sky is falling!) and all to suit your jihadist theory (but not trillanes, huh?). am belching, am belching with too much laughing gas. my inodoro is about to explode–clear the coast, everyone!

  15. Let us resign ourselves to the imminent fact that Government will rule the blast as accidental.

    But, let’s not allow this corrupt Administration to gain collateral benefit from this tragedy by way of diverting our attention to somewhere else.

    Back to the scandals!

  16. “Hmmm. That situation sounds familiar. Then, Noli can
    probably just pardon GMA. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.” – Willy

    Willy,
    Not necessarily,if GMA will be charged in court it will take more than three years (Estrada experience)and by that time we will have a newly elected president. Now, its up to the people to decide who would that president be. I just hope that the people will take into consideration the pardon aspect of this issue.

  17. indoro ni emilie,

    I read the his “deflagration” angle but I’m inclined to wonder. His theory is based on the US setting, wherein gas is piped into the houses and buildings (much like our Manila Waters) for heating/cooking purposes. Thats why fires there can literally raze a whole house quiet rapidly. This gas is already very flammable/volatile in its natural form and any minute leak can be ignited with a small spark even electrical ones.
    What we have in Glorietta is a diesel tank, diesel has to be heated (200 degrees celcius). So this means there has to be an initial fire/explosion, they believe it will come from methane oozing out of the septic tank (ignited by electrical sparks). Imagine an exploding septic tank, “boom!” sh-t everywhere, we expect to see a lot of them and probably smell them. Come to think of it, some of the smell is leaking already.
    We better have engineers take a look at our septic tanks at home, we’re all in grave danger!!!

  18. “Let us resign ourselves to the imminent fact that Government will rule the blast as accidental.”

    If Ayala would go along meekly with the findings and not validate, sila ang madidiin.
    Moneywise, no problem. But justice-wise…

  19. Let’s face it. The Dean is a bigot. He cannot stand dissenting opinions, so he has to close shop. Oh, how he enjoys displaying his “erudition”, even boasting to me once that all his articles submitted to the Inquirer were published, with nary an alteration, as if I cared. Now, he shows off his physicist’s knowledge of “gas deflagration” goggled from GexCon’s web site.

    Excuse me while I polish up my “loose bowel conflagration” theory.

  20. Yes. I’m relieved that so many heads in this blog still believes in the “constitutional” or democratic processes. It may not be perfect, and historically our choices for leaders have been hit and miss (mostly miss) or trial and error (good start but ends with error). But we go on, if not in this generation, then the next, then the next, because if we believe otherwise, our founding fathers, the heroes that shed blood, and those who gave up their lives for the freedom we have today, to include sleepless nights of blogging (emotionally, some sweating blood even while braving carpal tunnel syndrome) will be for nothing.

  21. Anyway, Willy, I’ve heard that Ayala is doing its own rigid investigation. Let both sides go to court.

  22. On Tongue’ ruling out a methane explosion:
    We don’t yet know the exact configuration of the waste treatment for Glorietta. What has been reported is that there are leaking sewer pipes in the basement.

    It is not always the case that there would be flames in a methane explosion. It depends on the air/methane ratio and the pressure (and thus the number of vents). Maintenance crew have claimed that the basement was not well-ventilated.
    Could a methane explosion be that strong? Let’s wait for the calculations (using the mass throughput of the waste system and the chemical balance equations). This is still the most likely possibility for me. About H2S though, I’ve read somewhere though can’t remember where that there were reports of some foul smell (rotten eggs for H2S; I was involved in investigating presence of H2S in Leyte geothermal fields in the 90’s).

    I agree that diesel is out of the equation. If I remember correctly, the diesel was intact.

    On RDX, I’ve pointed out elsewhere that a single colorimetric test testing positive is inconclusive. It was likely a false negative.

    To me, the absence of a crater and other blast marks, and of any bomb components already constitute sufficient and necessary conditions to rule out a bomb blast.

    Eventually, the evidence on the gas explosion will be weighed in court in the suits by government against Ayala/Makati Supermarket and between the two.

  23. Come on, guys. DJB is a scientist.

    “It’s a scientist’s right to re-examine his theory with each new piece of evidence, Nick.”

    Sure his knee-jerk reaction was Jihadi attack, but like a true scientist, he’ll re-evaluate his hypothesis if new evidence to the contrary comes in.

  24. “To me, the absence of a crater and other blast marks, and of any bomb components already constitute sufficient and necessary conditions to rule out a bomb blast”- Viking

    There is a crater isn’t it? Junjun Binay mentioned that to the media and you can read it..

  25. We’ll need a computer model of the exact configuration of the basement, factoring in the diesel depot, the sewage pipes, the machines in there, the ventilation system, etc., to determine if a volatile mix of methane gas and diesel fumes in a confined space can cause an explosion that exhibits the blast pattern of the G2 explosion. Some University computer dept. should take this on.

    (The bomb guy I saw on TV this morning said there was no crater, Augustine. The ‘crater’ was the basement.)

  26. Augustine,

    the crater we’re referring to is a mark left on the exact location or under where a bomb could have been planted. What Binay referred to was the hole on the ground floor which the expanding gas cracked open. A bomb blast would have impelled matter in all directions.

  27. “Then if GMA resigns or is impeached, then Noli it is.”

    Hmmm. That situation sounds familiar. Then, Noli can
    probably just pardon GMA. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

    If Noli does that, and if by that time the people are against it (pardon), then he should be prepared for the consequences. He too is accountable to the people. Continued vigilance is the price of democracy.

  28. Augustine,

    Don’t forget that even after the Gloria and her security adviser were already making political hay out of the terrorist angle, the investigators (Barias etc.) refused to rule out an accident.

  29. But, Jeg, a true scientist does not react in knee-jerk fashion. Scientists are very deliberate.

  30. Additives in diesel fuel can cause it to be more volatile and ignite at a lower temperature than diesel without additives. Diba dati diesel engines required you to heat up the fuel first before you can start the engines? Additives effectively lowered that temperature so you dont have to wait too long. Maybe the diesel in the depot had such additives thereby making them more volatile.

  31. Yes, Shaman. But DJB is a person, too, before he is a scientist. He has an advocacy against the Jihadist and that was his knee-jerk reaction before all the data has come in. His scientist mode kicked in later.

  32. I am totally against the idea of an unconditional pardon for Erap for the following reasons:

    1)He must show remorse(“m sorry) for the very serious crime of plunder.

    2)An unconditional pardon sets a very dangerous precedent
    for future Presidents who are/might follow Erap’s criminal activities.

    But I’m sure that,regardless of the arguments,GMA wil give
    hin “unconditional pardon” for very obvious future “immunization” reasons.

  33. “Interior Secretary Ronaldo Puno, concurrently presidential political adviser, told reporters that the PNP reported that there is “high certainty” that the blast was accidental, QTV Balitanghali reported.”

    With the spin doctor saying that there is “high certainty” that the blast was accidental,I now convinced that they are going to force the Zobels to buy this new theory.

    Can somebody tell me why they had to switch the “story” from”bombing” to the “big fart” story???

  34. Can somebody tell me why they had to switch the “story” from”bombing” to the “big fart” story???

    The obvious answer is because it could be true. (Although point taken about Ronnie Puno — they shouldve gotten somebody with more credibility. That guy just gives me the creeps.)

    They wanted it to be a terrorist attack so it would be easier to declare a state of emergency, but with experts there who arent exactly on the Administration’s leash, they couldnt make that story stick, so…

  35. What I find a little sinister is the repeated claim of Alfie Reyes,the Ayala Land spokesman,repeatedly saying that Ayala Land has been given “very limited access” to the site by the police.

    If you are the owner of a house that just got burned,would you also have the right to go and inspect the site?

    Bakit kaya?

  36. Jeg, if the gas deflagration hypothesis were true, then that’s that. It’s Ayala’s problem. If it’s not true and it turns out that it was really a bombing, then that means that it was most likely a botched attempt at a distraction. As soon as it was clear that the people were not rallying around the flag and that loose ends in the execution may prove inconvenient, then they had to backtrack.

  37. Ive seen enough episodes of CSI to know that the owners of the house are asked to wait outside while Grissom’s team process the crime scene. And if you cant believe a fictional TV show, who can you believe? 😀

    I have the impression, probably unfair, that the Ayala Land people are hoing that it’s some sort of terrorist attack.

  38. “hoping that it’s some sort of terrorist attack” I meant.

    And while Im at it, I meant ‘processes the crime scene.’

  39. “The obvious answer is because it could be true. (Although point taken about Ronnie Puno — they shouldve gotten somebody with more credibility. That guy just gives me the creeps.)JEG”

    That’s the problem with the boy who cried “wolf” too many times.Nobody believes Ronnie Puno even if he were telling the truth.

  40. BTW, i agree with Jeg’s take on DJB’s turnaround. The scientist in him prevailed over the ideologue. Of course it helped that he has the Aussies and the FBI on his side. His cartoons can wait another day.

  41. Jeg, personally i prefer Quincy: Medical Examiner’s style (if you remember him from Channel & in the 70’s). He worked alone with none of those gee whiz forensic technology and interviewed people on his own but he always got the same results as the entire CSI Team.

  42. cvj:

    Quincy, M.E.! how’s that for some television retro-ness. I liked that show too.

    manindigan!:

    heck yeah, the spinmeister should be the last person you should get to speak credibly on anything.

    on the ayala blast: just wait for the experts to say their peace. all that tension really is due to all of the wild speculation that was going around and gave everyone their pet theories about the incident.

    on senator trillanes: put up or shut up.

    ———-

    and yes, while waiting for the investigators, let’s get back to the scandals, shall we?

  43. Personally, I’ll wait till after one or two of GMA’s generals have already retired from service, as there is always a possibility that one of them will renounce her and admit to complicity to some wrongdoing most probably this one.
    Let them have their industrial accident for now.

  44. I am totally against the idea of an unconditional pardon for Erap for the following reasons:

    1)He must show remorse(”m sorry) for the very serious crime of plunder.

    2)An unconditional pardon sets a very dangerous precedent
    for future Presidents who are/might follow Erap’s criminal activities.

    But I’m sure that,regardless of the arguments,GMA wil give hin “unconditional pardon” for very obvious future “immunization” reasons.

    maninindigan

    How’s this for another scandal? Unconditional pardon, he doesn’t even have to admit to his crimes? Where’s the closure in that?

  45. However, Trillanes said that he will only reveal what he knows to an independent, impartial and credible body that would be created for the purpose. – Dinapinoy

    I think Trillanes should make a privilege speech before the Senate so people can judge for themselves whether his claims are credible or not.

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